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To bring the world overcast step into the path of light and civilization, today the problem years nubinh are already becoming a serious issue for the Human Rights and Women's Rights. Religious and political tyranny made leaders of Human Rights to ache because of the extremist ideology in the name of divine precept ... deeply rooted in the minds of people. To get the right look to the teachings of compassion and clarity of Buddhism, the translator would like to introduce the following forum to monks and nuns, who have the wisdom, please enter the website link below and work together clear sense of equality of the Buddha.
http://ask.sirimangalo.org/2218/are-bhikkhunis-discriminated-against-in-buddhism
I would like to know more about the status of women and monks and nuns in society from the perspective of Buddhism, and in particular the status of monks and nuns in the Order. I know that the condition of the monks and nuns may be much lower than with Buddhist monks in some countries. Why is this and what the Buddha said about gender equality?
Also, what's rational behind the signing of the rules of inequality between the monks and nuns and monks? (question Anna)
ANSWERS : (By: monk Yuttadhammo a - Sri Lanka - http://yuttadhammo.sirimangalo.org/ ) Buddhism does not say much about the state of human society, it refers more to the development of essential being of an individual. You will not find any teachings of the Tripitaka talk about social status, there is some talk about teaching methods for the husband and wife should treat each other, but it certainly does not mean the idea is for society necessarily be held. status of monks and nuns, most of the Theravada Buddhist monks do not realize Hola "legal", so they really do not have any love pages denoi to - they are illegal, the government in the eyes of the Sangha. I do not know of any country where Theravada monks and nuns are seen as legitimate any kytinh of the Sangha as a whole. What you may be referring to is the fact that most countries Buddhism has inherited the gender discrimination of passed thongAn India (Hinduism), but that really is not in the Buddhist teachings. In countries such as the United States, where the traditional expression of freedom personal religion, monks and nuns are often high respect in society, I think. @ Phalanyani might be able to shed additional light on this on this forum. In fact, I think it's fair to say that Buddhists in general tend to respect the monks and nuns as well. way that the Sangha individuals treated with monks and nuns, I can only speak of "sangha" my own (three of us: me, myself and I) when I say that they are treated as the monks and meditation, as and responsibilities similar to the monks: research, practice and teaching. systematic status of monks and nuns, of course there is much more to be said. Sangha was established to address the men abandoned the family - the idea of women abandoned the family is an absurdity before the Buddha appeared; ancient religion of India that women are unable enlightenment, and Hinduism consider women as inferior, unclean, etc. The Buddha did not have such views, but he is very clear about the dangers of impact through influence, in interesting directions sexual behavior and basic protection of the family. So, he understands the acceptance of women's ordained will create problems and should be treated with caution. So hoidat are, when you ask, why the Buddha put the burden on women, but not for the men more laws? There are many potential answers to this question, some things better than the other:
What has been done, and usually can only get involved in the monastic life for ourselves, that we are the only rules. When the Buddha established eight principles "heavy" as a requirement for his stepmother (first ordained nuns), her response was:
"seyyathapi, Bhante Ananda, itthi and puriso vadaharo, YUVA, mandanakajatiko sisamnahato uppalamalam and vassikamalam vaatimuttakamalam and labhitva ubhohi hatthehi patiggahetva uttamange sirasmimpatitthapeyya; evameva warehouse Aham, Bhante Ananda ime attha garudhamme patigganhami yavajivam anatikkamaniye "ti.
"Also, the Venerable Ananda, a spare man nuhoac, teen, young, like makeup, shampoo, got a white lily, a white rain of flowers, or a wreath of pink, with both hands, place it on top of their revered a treasure, indeed Thus, such chican, Venerable Ananda, I respectfully received eight heavy rules, from now on, no mistakes.
- Acts. 10
nghirang I most monks agree with her goodwill us, the law is not a burden, even there are some rules that the monks received, even though hundreds of rules they are required to hold, it is not enough.
Finally, it is clear that Germany Buddha is a little bit stressed about the law, which declares that a dispute over the rules will not worth keso with the dispute over the teaching, in a sutta in the Anguttara Nikaya, Germany Buddha said that if the rules can seem like a burden too great, we should keep in mind three subjects: morality, meditation and wisdom for the practice, if someone such practices , any sunhung violations small in the world should also be reviewed. Bharath India's comments : Thank you, Master ... His last words are encouraging for Buddhists should not completely rule (to have the wisdom to distinguish).
ANSWERS : (By: nuns Phalanyani Thailand - phalanyani.sirimangalo.org
and http://www.mitrasunya.blogspot.com
First, the question of the Anna:
Most precepts, exactly 181 is identical goal of the monks. One of the precepts of men not on the monks monks and nuns laws such as building huts or other matters. Several different parts of the world established for monks and monks and nuns. 85 different world from a monk or not in their setup instructions.
In so85 world, the majority refers to the monastic life, a number of gender (5) are dealing with the wishes of a nun to be a trustee, a few links with the Buddhists, etc., ie, monks and nuns are not allowed to work in the wrong hands for Buddhists;, and some behavioral rules specified bhikkhu ni for the Bhikkhus. Finally, my understanding of the protection of the monks and nuns or monks and nuns and monks is a certain stigma. We support to create a harmonious coexistence. Monks also has its own precepts vecach behave with monks and nuns in the establishment of the law. 8 rules, known as the irreverent, the world weighs . Many people find that here is suky. Bhante Yuttadhammo mentioned in his answer. accepted her kecua Buddha ordained by accepting the rules. 6 world in 8 sex is not discrimination if you understand they are made by the most compassion that everyone can see. Both sex can be misinterpreted as sex discrimination-monks and nuns, or put them in a lower vitri monks: Monks women to greet any new male religious monks and nuns not mentioned error brothers. If a person is not friendly and do not like to say hello, these rules can be difficult, but I can see the benefits of these rules in their elements are in harmony and accept them easily . I make greeting for monks and cherish it We do not prohibit teaching for the Buddhist monks and French if they want besides rebuke many other very nice way for a monk known as he had done something wrong. Rebuke and criticism are prescribed by the rules for the brothers and sisters. Several monks I met expressed that hokhong want to maintain our irreverent approach because they do not believe that they are established by the Buddha and they think that they are added or modified in this trade Mahaparinibbana after . There are some good reasons to affirm as so. Probably Mahapajapati (Ma Ha Ba wife to-Mother Buddha kecua) is not the first monks and nuns. In Therigatha of Baddha, Ps 109, provides evidence that at least one of the bhikkhus and nuns were ordained with the question of "Ehi Bhikkhuni" - rituals that the Buddha used in the first session. Mahapajapati, Buddha's stepmother then, when this ceremony is no longer used. She was accompanied by 500 women and nayda be ordained by monks different from the normal ritual ordained later used at the time. When the other monks and nuns were not to to Mahapajapati responsible for their ceremony because they thought she was not accepted to stand in the ranks, the Buddha says that she has been accepted by 8 His irreverence and self is her teacher. This makes me believe that the Buddha gave eight disrespectful dedicated only to his stepmother . A legal reasons to believe that disrespect has been added later or 8, but we know now as disrespectful law is not gender 8 He set her Mahapajapati: we mainly rules of responsibility and must have nhuvay, people origin story (ancient books found include stories are rare and I do not have a copy, but I asked a person to have access to the book to check the origin of the story important precepts) . This book tells us that: The monks celebrate to any 500 phunu is another who comes along with Mahapajapati .... this increased comfort ngorang the rules (disrespect) appeared in gender responsibilities on stage nay.Trong sentence story of Mahapajapati, Mr. Ananda and the Buddha absolutely no appearance of the story is presented in the article business. Though all the flawed logic of disrespect, the story happened as it was passed down to our time, we believe that they have been declared the most compassionate Buddha boiDuc grades on earth , the wisest master known, loved all beings equally, ngaida statement in Abhidhamma, whether male or female just physical characteristics, the heart of a woman is capable of liberating as the heart of a man. All of us are capable of compassion, his wisdom, but if we try to look at the rules without heart disease, or aversion, but with all my heart compassion and wisdom, we can have the benefits, we will find that all just to create harmony and peace in the community and in the mind of each individual. It is not easy for our when pollution inner to understand something with a polluted mind not pass through us, because we feel of first camoi with polluted mind distinguishes us. With what Venerable Yuttadhammo mentioned in his article for bhikkhus ni West ophuong. Well, there is good support and broad understanding of more Increase Siva most Buddhists monks and nuns is an important part of the 4 we Sangha and should be treated and support nhunhau. Women are the main supporters and Buddhist monks, many of them want to gender equality and to support the nuns. But almost was a small trend that women like services and prostrate monks. recently, a monk visited institutes Aranya Bodhi in the U.S., where I practice in the rainy season. This place is pretty far away, but is equipped with very basic infrastructure, the activities in the 3rd year. The monks visited just say: if this is a place for the monks, will have a lot of support, all to be developed more. Although I'm very happy about the support available and the record, I think this religious right. It will also add a lot of time - if it is always evolution for the Buddhist monks and nuns and women in general are Buddhist monk and a male peer. Generally, sexual discrimination has its roots in culture and tradition rather than in the teaching of the Buddha . In countries such as Thailand and the public's controversial market accessories nữvà the monks why this is so nearly as painful Kyla. The monks brought inside their monstrous personal beliefs and culture of the country to the world and present them as the teachings of the Buddha. It hetduong! But we have found that the only monk is just a man, not enlightened beings and that is of course extremely comfortable for them to be surrounded by women who think that men are in on them. And in fact, many women thought that he was inferior, in Asia, in the West and all over the world, a number of women and men who are fighting for equality package. Only, the fight is not true and equality is not the right target. single goal worthy of following after the liberation of the mind was conscious in every moment, every failure thought and argument and gender discrimination will be terminated. ANSWERS : (By: monk Yuttadhammo a - Sri Lanka - http://yuttadhammo.sirimangalo.org/ ) Thank you for your explanation, ideas related to parts of the authenticity of the texts. First of all, I think it is never a good idea to use in teaching (especially given by a person under Buddha is not the Buddha) to try to increase the suspicion of teaching prose (this is particularly clear) - formerly could be interpreted to mean a number of things, while the latter is said general is quite clear in its meaning. This case is a good example of such a misunderstanding. The commentary with bhaddakundalakesatherigatha: arahattam pana patva tavadeva pabbajjam yaci. sattha tassa pabbajjam anujani. SA bhikkhunupassayam gantvana pabbajitvaphalasukhena nibbanasukhena ca vitinamenti attano patipattim paccavekkhitvaudanavasena - this sentence means, basically, that she has become an Arahat, then please be ordained (pabbajja), the Buddha allowed her renunciation ( have be saying "Ehi, bhadda", as verse 109 says, not "Ehi monks and nuns", which nowhere appears in the Tripitaka, afaik), after which she went to where the bhikkhu Romania and is accepted here, and she expressed the verses found in Therigatha. Toidong that 8 rules is the problem as stated, but it is a mistake to assume that they are spontaneously as stated, especially given the fairly obvious as told by the Buddha for his stepmother, which claims to be the first monks and nuns. Several explanations have the potential to exist: simple will Buddha told the monks to give ordination to 500 monks and nuns as an exception, of course, from the absence of any monks and nuns to be ordained. Initially it may be noted that "when both the Sangha was founded." Another possibility may be special rules naydac development over time, initially, it can have no from alone "ubhatosanghe", which removes all the controversy, since this may be more a when the opportunities arising request. KhiDuc Buddha given garudhamma only for his mother, this really is not in the world responsibility, do not speak for all of her, but "a nun", when taking in the law, which is the word of the Rule of patimokkha (gender duty) ... In short, I do not want to waste too much time debating the authenticity of the text, but it is always painful when listen to this argument, according to which the conclusion can only come from not the same text is incorrect. Coduoc such an argument is being made about the MN 142, for example, and I think I confused the debate because its not valid without much hassle on my part . I know you do not strongly reinforce this, which is good, but I assume sunhung people around you, so I suggest the problem here, hope it selam ease the readiness of people to create judgment doubts of the text. My feeling is that we must be very careful before making a judgment hastily on any text in the Tipitaka, it has been carefully compiled and arranged so, it is really hard to imagine that such negligence is consistent with the general accusation generation of young monks and monks and nuns. ANSWERS : (By: Bhikkhus Yuttadhammo - Sri Lanka - http://yuttadhammo.sirimangalo.org/ ) I am not a scholar and can be read only in English or German of the Pali text has been poisoned by the thought and understanding of the service, so I can not really say: this was written by Tripitaka and I can not differentiate the Pali text from the newer version. Yeah, you're right to think that I do not understand the doubts that I or the others about the authenticity of the Nirvana Sutra or Garudhammas. I hope I can make the most important point clear enough: Whether the rules only for Mahapajapati or all of the monks and nuns, although Germany Buddha gave them and then they have been added or modified later - that all is not really important. Firstly, it is a boring waste of time or continuously consider the injustice , it is theme should boboi because it does not lead to liberation . And-change can be made, slowly, with compassion and love in our hearts, to change things by force have failed. But more importantly, and I want to repeat it here: If the Buddha made the rules, they were made with compassion and wisdom that I and most other people would always be nice. If they are declared the Buddha, the complete rules for the welfare of those who implement them, for the benefit of individuals and the harmony of the community. Those who have polluted mind, it is difficult to imagine - even small traces of malice in them, they are given with love. Malice or injustice from the rules because we interpret them with pollution, ... Now, what is with MN142, at this why parts of it are not valid? (Or is the question of new threads in this forum?)
ANSWERS : (By: nuns Phalanyani Thailand - phalanyani.sirimangalo.org
and http://www.mitrasunya.blogspot.com MN 142 is said to be the world economic fiction behind this for monks greed, or some thing similar. For example, they say, is the Buddha told Paiapati (Three cooperative Ba) of a declared Sangha of monks and nuns, but three Rinse She not been ordained (like not monks and nuns). Reason that they can talk about Buddha monks and nuns without monks and nuns?
Here is another great example leads to the conclusion there is no basis - the same scriptures say about a gift the Sangha after the Buddha entered Nirvana, so it is unreasonable to assume that the bit about the monks and nuns cnug was a mistake, or anything else.
I pointed out that the Buddha mentioned the monks and nuns after he into dao.Day is a surprise, and I was asked for a quote, and I have come out quite like that.
thing Dela, it is easy to jump to a conclusion that you want to reach, and quite dangerous due to any emerging conclusions so. Better to stick to the text except for the completely absurd, and then admit that we can be a mistake, but on the other hand we can not understand the text. ANSWERS : (By: monk Yuttadhammo - Sri Lanka - http://yuttadhammo.sirimangalo.org/ ) Thank you on your answer. Buddha Why love is more recommended for bhikkhus (included) monks and nuns and Tykheo? Is it right or not (enough) to admit monks and nuns? reviews of Anna (Thread question) I was surprised to know that it still exists in the U.S., but I guess it means that the sponsored monks still mainly by Buddhist congdong, who heard the Buddhist monks say things like "does not mean that women Monk" and so quite trend regardless of sexual attachment itself ... Thatdang surprised, because there are a lot of Western and Asian alike, you respected the monks and nuns, is: a) the Westerners still no provides Export tronguoi to by Asians, and b ) Asian Buddhist communities duocdieu controlled by men (male and male Buddhist monks) - most people in Asia to support the monks and nuns seems to be women. course, Phalanyani can also more insight into this than I am - it seems to have something to do with the dignity of the monks and nuns of the time, but I do not think either of us really want to go there. ANSWERS : ( by: monk Yuttadhammo a - Sri Lanka - http://yuttadhammo.sirimangalo.org/ ) Not sure if I can provide more insight into this - what I can tell is a hypothetical explanation psychology. seems to me that women, although they completely support the general (clergy) in Asia and in the West, women have an inherent tendency to search for a male the same as his father's them. But the other phunu or be regarded as similar or as a competition. This seems easier for women dephuc parts for man or male religious (though he can benefit or not) and do what a man lord rather than a woman when coay not sure something, such as a much higher position or spiritual development Interestingly, men seem easy with confidence and ask for a female religious as they claim and believe their mothers. they are very much enthusiastic help every day, but often find their wives do it. In a social network internet have many men and spare nuviet and looking for advice, and many of the man they call me mother. Choden women did not have a contact I ever call me that. many supporters of women, they want men to be excluded from the community, strong women, not all canhung main purpose feminists. So my principles and think about the basic tendency, clearly far fewer monks and nuns monks in this world, therefore no be high growth suphat also not many monks and nuns have good and bad bad behavior of a monk happened. In Mahayana countries the nun is part of everyday life do not have to recognize the difference, I hear, there is no difference in the attitude of the religious side as well as the support from the Buddhist ? It certainly must lamvoi habits, monks and nuns are not only present in people's minds. Sometimes I hear, those who serve the monks expect that later then shared with the sisters in equal parts. regard to the offering of Thai people will often keep something to ensure that the monks and nuns is enough, because monks and nuns at the end of the line, after all Pi pretentious. This difference in the United States, where monks and nuns in the order of seniority mix of goods , people try to equity offerings. Well, sure as Yuttadhammo said: it can be done with dignity current of tykhuu Buddhist monks and nuns require further improvement to get the same amount of support as any monks (though not all monks also absolute). I had to deal with some great jealousy in the beginning, but it is just like that and I will not change it. Finally, it is a challenge that can help me on the road. And I believe that monks and nuns are worthy of continued support.
ANSWERS : (By: nuns Phalanyani Thailand - phalanyani.sirimangalo.org and http://www.mitrasunya.blogspot.com Yes. How else can I y on economic MN 142 as an example where monks monks and nuns were present in the time of the Buddha before mahapajapati (Ma Ha Ba wife to) ordained .,
but I would not conclude it now ... . I think there a different angle phaiduoc consider related to the eight conditions. Buddha lived in India for more than two thousand five hundred in a patriarchal society, in which full equality for women has been seen as absurd, and no special conditions may danden contact with the surrounding culture can have shorten thocua About Law. I think a major reason that the Buddha requested nuns after the monks in the absence of senior status, at least fewer monks than nuns, which some monks can turn into major problems. Under such circumstances, I do not think it is too difficult with a schismatic Devadatta was able to start a separate full problem in the Sangha, the only opportunity (to separate ly). Doing so disastrous Sela, so I think that the Buddha realized the prejudices of the people arose Legal extremist have a chance to spread. Link: http://ask.sirimangalo.org / 2218/are-bhikkhunis-discriminated-against-in-buddhism.END=VIETNAMESE TRANSLATE ENGLISH BY THICH CHAN TANH.MHDT.WORLD VIETNAMESE BUDDHIST ORDER=VIETNAMESE BUDDHIST NUNS=GOLDEN LOTUS MONASTERY=AUSTRALIA,SYDNEY.15/11/2012.NAM MO SHAKYAMUNI BUDDHA.( 3 TIMES ).
Who was the first nun?
Intellectual Who Has To Know What Is Holy About the Aggregates of the Buddha?
Translator: Tam Phuong
Intellectual Who Has To Know What Is Holy About the Aggregates of the Buddha?
Translator: Tam Phuong
To bring the world overcast step into the path of light and civilization, today the problem years nubinh are already becoming a serious issue for the Human Rights and Women's Rights. Religious and political tyranny made leaders of Human Rights to ache because of the extremist ideology in the name of divine precept ... deeply rooted in the minds of people. To get the right look to the teachings of compassion and clarity of Buddhism, the translator would like to introduce the following forum to monks and nuns, who have the wisdom, please enter the website link below and work together clear sense of equality of the Buddha.
http://ask.sirimangalo.org/2218/are-bhikkhunis-discriminated-against-in-buddhism
In Buddhist nuns
stigmatized?
Are bhikkhunis discriminated Against in
Buddhism?
I would like to know more about the status of women and monks and nuns in society from the perspective of Buddhism, and in particular the status of monks and nuns in the Order. I know that the condition of the monks and nuns may be much lower than with Buddhist monks in some countries. Why is this and what the Buddha said about gender equality?
Also, what's rational behind the signing of the rules of inequality between the monks and nuns and monks? (question Anna)
ANSWERS : (By: monk Yuttadhammo a - Sri Lanka - http://yuttadhammo.sirimangalo.org/ ) Buddhism does not say much about the state of human society, it refers more to the development of essential being of an individual. You will not find any teachings of the Tripitaka talk about social status, there is some talk about teaching methods for the husband and wife should treat each other, but it certainly does not mean the idea is for society necessarily be held. status of monks and nuns, most of the Theravada Buddhist monks do not realize Hola "legal", so they really do not have any love pages denoi to - they are illegal, the government in the eyes of the Sangha. I do not know of any country where Theravada monks and nuns are seen as legitimate any kytinh of the Sangha as a whole. What you may be referring to is the fact that most countries Buddhism has inherited the gender discrimination of passed thongAn India (Hinduism), but that really is not in the Buddhist teachings. In countries such as the United States, where the traditional expression of freedom personal religion, monks and nuns are often high respect in society, I think. @ Phalanyani might be able to shed additional light on this on this forum. In fact, I think it's fair to say that Buddhists in general tend to respect the monks and nuns as well. way that the Sangha individuals treated with monks and nuns, I can only speak of "sangha" my own (three of us: me, myself and I) when I say that they are treated as the monks and meditation, as and responsibilities similar to the monks: research, practice and teaching. systematic status of monks and nuns, of course there is much more to be said. Sangha was established to address the men abandoned the family - the idea of women abandoned the family is an absurdity before the Buddha appeared; ancient religion of India that women are unable enlightenment, and Hinduism consider women as inferior, unclean, etc. The Buddha did not have such views, but he is very clear about the dangers of impact through influence, in interesting directions sexual behavior and basic protection of the family. So, he understands the acceptance of women's ordained will create problems and should be treated with caution. So hoidat are, when you ask, why the Buddha put the burden on women, but not for the men more laws? There are many potential answers to this question, some things better than the other:
- Buddha may have acted to meet the requirements - if you want x, you have to do y. When women ask to be ordained, the Buddha put the burden on them to be careful not to break the existing organization or become a burden on management. There are several gender / sex-based rules can fall into this category, and one of the limited number of countries may be to ensure that quality does not become a victim of numbers.
- Buddha seems sensitive to the special situation and needs of women - against the law to live alone in the forest (to avoid being raped), regulations require two years of celibacy before ordination (to protect against potential pregnancy), etc.
- Some of the precepts for monks and nuns, like some of the precepts for monks, may have been raised because it happened to the monks and nuns. Almost certain precepts for monks and nuns equivalent Bhikshu precepts, in several places. Remember that the rule does not make sense overall value, they have been raised as issues arise, in the end, the Buddha said that whatever simple rules should follow the precepts of treatment, gender and anything not prepared, do not need to do - if not more so, now there may be millions of rules for each of the Sangha today ..
- Discipline is the most difficult for women requires that the monks and nuns revered monks. This seems to be due to the lack of familiarity with the practice, all we are required to respect someone - there are strict rules about respect for the senior level, in addition to the higher moral worth be respected, it is not an indication that the smaller is respectable, it means that the maintenance of order and harmony. So, two choices for monk and monks and nuns to respect each other only by the senior individuals, or to keep the groups separate and require all the monks and nuns honor with all of the monk as a youth group for the former group . Buddha chose the latter, and I think that in addition to the desire to discriminate. I do not have any personal problems with legitimate respect for with an ordained monks and nuns, but I like them in cases which are all placed in a higher group, because I agree with the hazards of impact through sex is not normal ..
What has been done, and usually can only get involved in the monastic life for ourselves, that we are the only rules. When the Buddha established eight principles "heavy" as a requirement for his stepmother (first ordained nuns), her response was:
"seyyathapi, Bhante Ananda, itthi and puriso vadaharo, YUVA, mandanakajatiko sisamnahato uppalamalam and vassikamalam vaatimuttakamalam and labhitva ubhohi hatthehi patiggahetva uttamange sirasmimpatitthapeyya; evameva warehouse Aham, Bhante Ananda ime attha garudhamme patigganhami yavajivam anatikkamaniye "ti.
"Also, the Venerable Ananda, a spare man nuhoac, teen, young, like makeup, shampoo, got a white lily, a white rain of flowers, or a wreath of pink, with both hands, place it on top of their revered a treasure, indeed Thus, such chican, Venerable Ananda, I respectfully received eight heavy rules, from now on, no mistakes.
- Acts. 10
nghirang I most monks agree with her goodwill us, the law is not a burden, even there are some rules that the monks received, even though hundreds of rules they are required to hold, it is not enough.
Finally, it is clear that Germany Buddha is a little bit stressed about the law, which declares that a dispute over the rules will not worth keso with the dispute over the teaching, in a sutta in the Anguttara Nikaya, Germany Buddha said that if the rules can seem like a burden too great, we should keep in mind three subjects: morality, meditation and wisdom for the practice, if someone such practices , any sunhung violations small in the world should also be reviewed. Bharath India's comments : Thank you, Master ... His last words are encouraging for Buddhists should not completely rule (to have the wisdom to distinguish).
ANSWERS : (By: nuns Phalanyani Thailand - phalanyani.sirimangalo.org
and http://www.mitrasunya.blogspot.com
First, the question of the Anna: Most precepts, exactly 181 is identical goal of the monks. One of the precepts of men not on the monks monks and nuns laws such as building huts or other matters. Several different parts of the world established for monks and monks and nuns. 85 different world from a monk or not in their setup instructions.
In so85 world, the majority refers to the monastic life, a number of gender (5) are dealing with the wishes of a nun to be a trustee, a few links with the Buddhists, etc., ie, monks and nuns are not allowed to work in the wrong hands for Buddhists;, and some behavioral rules specified bhikkhu ni for the Bhikkhus. Finally, my understanding of the protection of the monks and nuns or monks and nuns and monks is a certain stigma. We support to create a harmonious coexistence. Monks also has its own precepts vecach behave with monks and nuns in the establishment of the law. 8 rules, known as the irreverent, the world weighs . Many people find that here is suky. Bhante Yuttadhammo mentioned in his answer. accepted her kecua Buddha ordained by accepting the rules. 6 world in 8 sex is not discrimination if you understand they are made by the most compassion that everyone can see. Both sex can be misinterpreted as sex discrimination-monks and nuns, or put them in a lower vitri monks: Monks women to greet any new male religious monks and nuns not mentioned error brothers. If a person is not friendly and do not like to say hello, these rules can be difficult, but I can see the benefits of these rules in their elements are in harmony and accept them easily . I make greeting for monks and cherish it We do not prohibit teaching for the Buddhist monks and French if they want besides rebuke many other very nice way for a monk known as he had done something wrong. Rebuke and criticism are prescribed by the rules for the brothers and sisters. Several monks I met expressed that hokhong want to maintain our irreverent approach because they do not believe that they are established by the Buddha and they think that they are added or modified in this trade Mahaparinibbana after . There are some good reasons to affirm as so. Probably Mahapajapati (Ma Ha Ba wife to-Mother Buddha kecua) is not the first monks and nuns. In Therigatha of Baddha, Ps 109, provides evidence that at least one of the bhikkhus and nuns were ordained with the question of "Ehi Bhikkhuni" - rituals that the Buddha used in the first session. Mahapajapati, Buddha's stepmother then, when this ceremony is no longer used. She was accompanied by 500 women and nayda be ordained by monks different from the normal ritual ordained later used at the time. When the other monks and nuns were not to to Mahapajapati responsible for their ceremony because they thought she was not accepted to stand in the ranks, the Buddha says that she has been accepted by 8 His irreverence and self is her teacher. This makes me believe that the Buddha gave eight disrespectful dedicated only to his stepmother . A legal reasons to believe that disrespect has been added later or 8, but we know now as disrespectful law is not gender 8 He set her Mahapajapati: we mainly rules of responsibility and must have nhuvay, people origin story (ancient books found include stories are rare and I do not have a copy, but I asked a person to have access to the book to check the origin of the story important precepts) . This book tells us that: The monks celebrate to any 500 phunu is another who comes along with Mahapajapati .... this increased comfort ngorang the rules (disrespect) appeared in gender responsibilities on stage nay.Trong sentence story of Mahapajapati, Mr. Ananda and the Buddha absolutely no appearance of the story is presented in the article business. Though all the flawed logic of disrespect, the story happened as it was passed down to our time, we believe that they have been declared the most compassionate Buddha boiDuc grades on earth , the wisest master known, loved all beings equally, ngaida statement in Abhidhamma, whether male or female just physical characteristics, the heart of a woman is capable of liberating as the heart of a man. All of us are capable of compassion, his wisdom, but if we try to look at the rules without heart disease, or aversion, but with all my heart compassion and wisdom, we can have the benefits, we will find that all just to create harmony and peace in the community and in the mind of each individual. It is not easy for our when pollution inner to understand something with a polluted mind not pass through us, because we feel of first camoi with polluted mind distinguishes us. With what Venerable Yuttadhammo mentioned in his article for bhikkhus ni West ophuong. Well, there is good support and broad understanding of more Increase Siva most Buddhists monks and nuns is an important part of the 4 we Sangha and should be treated and support nhunhau. Women are the main supporters and Buddhist monks, many of them want to gender equality and to support the nuns. But almost was a small trend that women like services and prostrate monks. recently, a monk visited institutes Aranya Bodhi in the U.S., where I practice in the rainy season. This place is pretty far away, but is equipped with very basic infrastructure, the activities in the 3rd year. The monks visited just say: if this is a place for the monks, will have a lot of support, all to be developed more. Although I'm very happy about the support available and the record, I think this religious right. It will also add a lot of time - if it is always evolution for the Buddhist monks and nuns and women in general are Buddhist monk and a male peer. Generally, sexual discrimination has its roots in culture and tradition rather than in the teaching of the Buddha . In countries such as Thailand and the public's controversial market accessories nữvà the monks why this is so nearly as painful Kyla. The monks brought inside their monstrous personal beliefs and culture of the country to the world and present them as the teachings of the Buddha. It hetduong! But we have found that the only monk is just a man, not enlightened beings and that is of course extremely comfortable for them to be surrounded by women who think that men are in on them. And in fact, many women thought that he was inferior, in Asia, in the West and all over the world, a number of women and men who are fighting for equality package. Only, the fight is not true and equality is not the right target. single goal worthy of following after the liberation of the mind was conscious in every moment, every failure thought and argument and gender discrimination will be terminated. ANSWERS : (By: monk Yuttadhammo a - Sri Lanka - http://yuttadhammo.sirimangalo.org/ ) Thank you for your explanation, ideas related to parts of the authenticity of the texts. First of all, I think it is never a good idea to use in teaching (especially given by a person under Buddha is not the Buddha) to try to increase the suspicion of teaching prose (this is particularly clear) - formerly could be interpreted to mean a number of things, while the latter is said general is quite clear in its meaning. This case is a good example of such a misunderstanding. The commentary with bhaddakundalakesatherigatha: arahattam pana patva tavadeva pabbajjam yaci. sattha tassa pabbajjam anujani. SA bhikkhunupassayam gantvana pabbajitvaphalasukhena nibbanasukhena ca vitinamenti attano patipattim paccavekkhitvaudanavasena - this sentence means, basically, that she has become an Arahat, then please be ordained (pabbajja), the Buddha allowed her renunciation ( have be saying "Ehi, bhadda", as verse 109 says, not "Ehi monks and nuns", which nowhere appears in the Tripitaka, afaik), after which she went to where the bhikkhu Romania and is accepted here, and she expressed the verses found in Therigatha. Toidong that 8 rules is the problem as stated, but it is a mistake to assume that they are spontaneously as stated, especially given the fairly obvious as told by the Buddha for his stepmother, which claims to be the first monks and nuns. Several explanations have the potential to exist: simple will Buddha told the monks to give ordination to 500 monks and nuns as an exception, of course, from the absence of any monks and nuns to be ordained. Initially it may be noted that "when both the Sangha was founded." Another possibility may be special rules naydac development over time, initially, it can have no from alone "ubhatosanghe", which removes all the controversy, since this may be more a when the opportunities arising request. KhiDuc Buddha given garudhamma only for his mother, this really is not in the world responsibility, do not speak for all of her, but "a nun", when taking in the law, which is the word of the Rule of patimokkha (gender duty) ... In short, I do not want to waste too much time debating the authenticity of the text, but it is always painful when listen to this argument, according to which the conclusion can only come from not the same text is incorrect. Coduoc such an argument is being made about the MN 142, for example, and I think I confused the debate because its not valid without much hassle on my part . I know you do not strongly reinforce this, which is good, but I assume sunhung people around you, so I suggest the problem here, hope it selam ease the readiness of people to create judgment doubts of the text. My feeling is that we must be very careful before making a judgment hastily on any text in the Tipitaka, it has been carefully compiled and arranged so, it is really hard to imagine that such negligence is consistent with the general accusation generation of young monks and monks and nuns. ANSWERS : (By: Bhikkhus Yuttadhammo - Sri Lanka - http://yuttadhammo.sirimangalo.org/ ) I am not a scholar and can be read only in English or German of the Pali text has been poisoned by the thought and understanding of the service, so I can not really say: this was written by Tripitaka and I can not differentiate the Pali text from the newer version. Yeah, you're right to think that I do not understand the doubts that I or the others about the authenticity of the Nirvana Sutra or Garudhammas. I hope I can make the most important point clear enough: Whether the rules only for Mahapajapati or all of the monks and nuns, although Germany Buddha gave them and then they have been added or modified later - that all is not really important. Firstly, it is a boring waste of time or continuously consider the injustice , it is theme should boboi because it does not lead to liberation . And-change can be made, slowly, with compassion and love in our hearts, to change things by force have failed. But more importantly, and I want to repeat it here: If the Buddha made the rules, they were made with compassion and wisdom that I and most other people would always be nice. If they are declared the Buddha, the complete rules for the welfare of those who implement them, for the benefit of individuals and the harmony of the community. Those who have polluted mind, it is difficult to imagine - even small traces of malice in them, they are given with love. Malice or injustice from the rules because we interpret them with pollution, ... Now, what is with MN142, at this why parts of it are not valid? (Or is the question of new threads in this forum?)
ANSWERS : (By: nuns Phalanyani Thailand - phalanyani.sirimangalo.org
and http://www.mitrasunya.blogspot.com MN 142 is said to be the world economic fiction behind this for monks greed, or some thing similar. For example, they say, is the Buddha told Paiapati (Three cooperative Ba) of a declared Sangha of monks and nuns, but three Rinse She not been ordained (like not monks and nuns). Reason that they can talk about Buddha monks and nuns without monks and nuns?
Here is another great example leads to the conclusion there is no basis - the same scriptures say about a gift the Sangha after the Buddha entered Nirvana, so it is unreasonable to assume that the bit about the monks and nuns cnug was a mistake, or anything else.
I pointed out that the Buddha mentioned the monks and nuns after he into dao.Day is a surprise, and I was asked for a quote, and I have come out quite like that.
thing Dela, it is easy to jump to a conclusion that you want to reach, and quite dangerous due to any emerging conclusions so. Better to stick to the text except for the completely absurd, and then admit that we can be a mistake, but on the other hand we can not understand the text. ANSWERS : (By: monk Yuttadhammo - Sri Lanka - http://yuttadhammo.sirimangalo.org/ ) Thank you on your answer. Buddha Why love is more recommended for bhikkhus (included) monks and nuns and Tykheo? Is it right or not (enough) to admit monks and nuns? reviews of Anna (Thread question) I was surprised to know that it still exists in the U.S., but I guess it means that the sponsored monks still mainly by Buddhist congdong, who heard the Buddhist monks say things like "does not mean that women Monk" and so quite trend regardless of sexual attachment itself ... Thatdang surprised, because there are a lot of Western and Asian alike, you respected the monks and nuns, is: a) the Westerners still no provides Export tronguoi to by Asians, and b ) Asian Buddhist communities duocdieu controlled by men (male and male Buddhist monks) - most people in Asia to support the monks and nuns seems to be women. course, Phalanyani can also more insight into this than I am - it seems to have something to do with the dignity of the monks and nuns of the time, but I do not think either of us really want to go there. ANSWERS : ( by: monk Yuttadhammo a - Sri Lanka - http://yuttadhammo.sirimangalo.org/ ) Not sure if I can provide more insight into this - what I can tell is a hypothetical explanation psychology. seems to me that women, although they completely support the general (clergy) in Asia and in the West, women have an inherent tendency to search for a male the same as his father's them. But the other phunu or be regarded as similar or as a competition. This seems easier for women dephuc parts for man or male religious (though he can benefit or not) and do what a man lord rather than a woman when coay not sure something, such as a much higher position or spiritual development Interestingly, men seem easy with confidence and ask for a female religious as they claim and believe their mothers. they are very much enthusiastic help every day, but often find their wives do it. In a social network internet have many men and spare nuviet and looking for advice, and many of the man they call me mother. Choden women did not have a contact I ever call me that. many supporters of women, they want men to be excluded from the community, strong women, not all canhung main purpose feminists. So my principles and think about the basic tendency, clearly far fewer monks and nuns monks in this world, therefore no be high growth suphat also not many monks and nuns have good and bad bad behavior of a monk happened. In Mahayana countries the nun is part of everyday life do not have to recognize the difference, I hear, there is no difference in the attitude of the religious side as well as the support from the Buddhist ? It certainly must lamvoi habits, monks and nuns are not only present in people's minds. Sometimes I hear, those who serve the monks expect that later then shared with the sisters in equal parts. regard to the offering of Thai people will often keep something to ensure that the monks and nuns is enough, because monks and nuns at the end of the line, after all Pi pretentious. This difference in the United States, where monks and nuns in the order of seniority mix of goods , people try to equity offerings. Well, sure as Yuttadhammo said: it can be done with dignity current of tykhuu Buddhist monks and nuns require further improvement to get the same amount of support as any monks (though not all monks also absolute). I had to deal with some great jealousy in the beginning, but it is just like that and I will not change it. Finally, it is a challenge that can help me on the road. And I believe that monks and nuns are worthy of continued support.
ANSWERS : (By: nuns Phalanyani Thailand - phalanyani.sirimangalo.org and http://www.mitrasunya.blogspot.com Yes. How else can I y on economic MN 142 as an example where monks monks and nuns were present in the time of the Buddha before mahapajapati (Ma Ha Ba wife to) ordained .,
but I would not conclude it now ... . I think there a different angle phaiduoc consider related to the eight conditions. Buddha lived in India for more than two thousand five hundred in a patriarchal society, in which full equality for women has been seen as absurd, and no special conditions may danden contact with the surrounding culture can have shorten thocua About Law. I think a major reason that the Buddha requested nuns after the monks in the absence of senior status, at least fewer monks than nuns, which some monks can turn into major problems. Under such circumstances, I do not think it is too difficult with a schismatic Devadatta was able to start a separate full problem in the Sangha, the only opportunity (to separate ly). Doing so disastrous Sela, so I think that the Buddha realized the prejudices of the people arose Legal extremist have a chance to spread. Link: http://ask.sirimangalo.org / 2218/are-bhikkhunis-discriminated-against-in-buddhism.END=VIETNAMESE TRANSLATE ENGLISH BY THICH CHAN TANH.MHDT.WORLD VIETNAMESE BUDDHIST ORDER=VIETNAMESE BUDDHIST NUNS=GOLDEN LOTUS MONASTERY=AUSTRALIA,SYDNEY.15/11/2012.NAM MO SHAKYAMUNI BUDDHA.( 3 TIMES ).
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